Arjun MBT - will the controversy end?
The issue about Arjun MBT is as old as the blogosphere itself. No defence blog is complete without the talk of the Arjun MBT (Main Battle Tank). I am also picking up the same old story but with a view to make fellow ordinary Indians stand up to the cause in any small way they can. It is not to gather any kind of support for Arjun, neither against it but to put things in their right perspective. But it sure is an effort to create more awareness and support for the indigenous development programmes.
Fellow bloggers are aware of the controversy surrounding the Arjun MBT & for the newbies – Arjun MBT is portrayed as a failure by (a section of) the media, defence experts & even the Indian Army. The Pakistanis especially are very vocal about it. They leave no chance (they create one if they don’t get one) to tarnish the image of Arjun MBT.
It all started in 1972 after the Indo-Pak war when the Indian govt. thought to have a tank of its own. The task was assigned to Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) with early 1990s set for introduction of the MBT. Though the project was to make a totally indigenous tank except for the powerpack (engine), Arjun relied heavily on foreign components. Even now it is reported to have upto 60% of foreign components.
The project took a long 36 years in the making with huge cost overruns. An approximate Rs. 300 crores were spent instead of the Rs.15.5 crores originally allotted. But it was not all DRDOs fault. The Indian Army too kept changing its requirements (technically called the GSQR – General Staff Qualitative Requirements) as time passed & major developments took place all over the world. DRDO in turn tried to match everything it can in the changing GSQRs, either by developing in-house or getting it from outside. But after all that, what DRDO came up was a world class battle tank. And if you go by the specs, Arjun MBT can arguably be called the best MBT in the world.
So what is the controversy, the newbies may ask. So I am putting the most controversial aspects here along with the respective facts.
Let’s start by the most contentious issue – weight. The Army says the Arjun MBT is over-weight. Yes it is if you compare this 58.5 ton (originally meant to be 40 ton) tank with the Russian T-90S (Indian acquired version is called Bhishma) which is 46.5 ton approx. But when you look at the class Arjun belongs to, it is on par (even better) with other contemporary tanks in its class like the American Abrams M1 (69.5T) or the German Leopard 2 (62.3T) or the Israeli Merkava (65T). If you consider its actual ground pressure (weight per sq. cm of ground) it actually is even lighter than the T-90S. It is also said that there are no roads or bridges that can support the extra weight. I don’t understand - if we can carry 47 tonnes can’t we strengthen our bridges to carry 10-12 tonnes more? Tomorrow if Russia comes up with a heavier tank what will the Army do? What if Pakistan purchases Abrams? Will they not then buy heavier tanks or will stick to the T-90S because of the lack of roads/bridges.As for the chances of the heavier Arjun sinking during battle in the desert – you decide – Abrams M1 is 10 tonnes heavier & exerts more ground pressure (15.4 psi compared to Arjun’s 11.9) but performed well in the Gulf War.
Same holds true for Arjun’s dimensions & the argument that it is not possible to carry it with the current railway carriages. Are we not even capable of developing special transporters if the current ones don’t suit us? Of course we do & therefore these arguments hold no ground. After all we changed the whole railway system to broad-gauge from meter gauge and trust me that was a herculean task compared to this. And how much does it exceeds the limit – 6 cms on the side of the railcars.
The other thing that was much publicised was over-heating. Yes it did overheated & therefore caused a lot of problems, even the electronics blew away because of the excess heat. But things were improved by the DRDO. Not only did they succeeded in bringing the heatup to acceptable levels, they also hardened their electronics to sustain high heat, all this with no extra cost to the army. Contrast this with the T-90S which also has a heatup problem but the solution Russians offered was to install air-conditioners adding more cost to the tanks.
Next comes the Fire Control System. It was erratic in the beginning with a 20-80% first hit rate. But with Israeli help it is now state-of-the-art with an extremely high hit probability. Arjun has demonstrated extremely satisfying firing characteristics in all situations be it moving to static, static to static & moving to moving. It is supposedly the only tank that can fire on moving targets while on the move.
Coming to survivability – Arjun was also criticised for having a bigger silhouette than T-90S therefore attracting more enemy attention & thus more hits. But Arjun was not designed to avoid enemy hits. Unlike its Russian counterparts which are designed to escape the eye of the enemy Arjun was designed to survive the enemy. Russian tanks are not good at surviving if hit by enemy fire. Their best protection is to escape it. You can see pictures (and read the article too) of the T-90 tanks devastated by enemy fire at Ajai Shukla’s blog – Broadsword. But Arjun MBT survives enemy fire. Trials have shown that Arjun with DRDO developed ‘Kanchan’ armour survives all explosive rounds including the APFSDS (Armour Peircing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot). So to say that there is no tank ammunition currently available to destroy the Arjun will not be all wrong. T-90S has ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) protection but it doesn’t saves the tank from FSAPDS. And by the way Arjun too supports ERA as an add-on.
Crew protection in Arjun is far better than in Russian tanks (actually they have almost nothing for crew protection – their design actually worsens it). Arjun has its ammunition separated from the crew compartment & stored in water-tight containers. It has automatic fire detection and suppressing system that automatically activates within milliseconds in case of a fire. While in the T-90S the crew sits over the ammunition compartment, so if a mine explodes beneath the tank, it results in the tank ammunition exploding & thus destroying the tank & killing the crew. NBC (Nuclear, Biological & Chemical weapons) protection is standard, which is also there with the T-90S.
Now let’s talk of the Arjun MBT features & their respective advantages.It has an automatic transmission (absent in T-90S) which is helpful during shoot and scoot operations. It has a capability to fire the Israeli LAHAT (Laser Homing Anti Tank) missile, which is considered the deadliest anti-tank weapon. It also extends Arjun’s firing range to approx. 8 kms. It has an in-house developed hydro-pneumatic suspension system that adds to crew comfort & reduces fatigue. The crew commander has an independent panoramic sight along with the gunner’s main sight with day & night capability and can engage targets in emergency. Arjun has been tested to drive under six feet water (also called fording) for 20 minutes.
But the best of all features are the APU & BMS. APU is Auxiliary Power Unit which powers the tank even when the engines are off. So the Arjun can engage an enemy even when in silent “watch mode”. BMS, short for Battle Management System is a specialty of the Arjun MBT which facilitates tactical command, control and communications between the tank and rest of the team, which is further enhanced by inclusion of GPS (Global Positioning System).
If we consider all this, we wonder why Arjun has been given such a bad name. We were developing a sophisticated piece of military hardware and that too for the very first time, so problems were bound to surface. Even the technologically superior countries have a long list of failed/delayed projects. So why this hue & cry? Why has DRDO being ridiculed everywhere as failing to deliver? Is it all DRDO’s fault or is the arms lobby behind maligning the project? Well the blame lies somewhere in between. DRDO is to be blamed for undervaluing the project & not going with it in a systematic way. They were averse to foreign assistance/collaboration for many years. It is only when they couldn’t fairly succeed they sought foreign help. Same was the story in respect to the LCA Tejas. But now better sense has prevailed in DRDO and they are in active involvement with the Israelis, Russians, French & even the Americans.
But the arms lobby, which includes (as media reports suggest) people from the establishment, have also tried its best to sabotage the project with constant disinformation campaign. Physical sabotage of the Arjun MBTs on trial was also reported in the media but remains unconfirmed.
But the online award goes to the Pakistanis who have left no stone unturned in carrying out a disinformation campaign against Arjun & almost all Indian defence developments including the LCA & the missile programme vis-a-vis Pakistani programmes.
I would like to also say something about the Pakistani defence programmes and the propaganda machinery here. Imagine a country which has nothing substantial to claim as indigenous development – not even something as small as a car – boasts of successful developments of high-tech military hardware. Can you imagine missiles being inducted without tests, labelled as home grown? Fighter aircraft (JF-17), cruise missiles(Babur), nuclear programme, Al Khalid MBT all developed by Pakistan indigenously without a single reported failure and that too in a record time frame. It took US almost 30 years to develop its F-16s while Pakistan did the JF-17 in 4 years. But the fact of the matter is nothing is developed by Pakistan but sourced from China, Ukraine, North Korea & even Russia.
I’ll soon be coming with a post regarding all this Pakistani “indigenous development” so let’s leave it at that.
In the end the good news is that Chief of Army Staff Gen. Deepak Kapoor has written to the Defence Ministry appreciating the Arjun MBT thus paving way for further inductions. I am eagerly waiting for the comparative trials between Arjun MBT and T-90S Bhisma, which the Army has been shying away from. I also want the media, which is so hysterically active when it comes to silly issues, pays attention to this & similar issues & creates a mass awareness so as to deter the lobby which has been constantly opposing efforts to defence indigenisation.
I would like to appreciate the Indian Navy here for going all out for indigenous development and also to a greater extent the Indian Air Force (IAF). The Indian Army sure needs to catch up.
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Fellow bloggers are aware of the controversy surrounding the Arjun MBT & for the newbies – Arjun MBT is portrayed as a failure by (a section of) the media, defence experts & even the Indian Army. The Pakistanis especially are very vocal about it. They leave no chance (they create one if they don’t get one) to tarnish the image of Arjun MBT.
It all started in 1972 after the Indo-Pak war when the Indian govt. thought to have a tank of its own. The task was assigned to Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) with early 1990s set for introduction of the MBT. Though the project was to make a totally indigenous tank except for the powerpack (engine), Arjun relied heavily on foreign components. Even now it is reported to have upto 60% of foreign components.
The project took a long 36 years in the making with huge cost overruns. An approximate Rs. 300 crores were spent instead of the Rs.15.5 crores originally allotted. But it was not all DRDOs fault. The Indian Army too kept changing its requirements (technically called the GSQR – General Staff Qualitative Requirements) as time passed & major developments took place all over the world. DRDO in turn tried to match everything it can in the changing GSQRs, either by developing in-house or getting it from outside. But after all that, what DRDO came up was a world class battle tank. And if you go by the specs, Arjun MBT can arguably be called the best MBT in the world.
So what is the controversy, the newbies may ask. So I am putting the most controversial aspects here along with the respective facts.
Let’s start by the most contentious issue – weight. The Army says the Arjun MBT is over-weight. Yes it is if you compare this 58.5 ton (originally meant to be 40 ton) tank with the Russian T-90S (Indian acquired version is called Bhishma) which is 46.5 ton approx. But when you look at the class Arjun belongs to, it is on par (even better) with other contemporary tanks in its class like the American Abrams M1 (69.5T) or the German Leopard 2 (62.3T) or the Israeli Merkava (65T). If you consider its actual ground pressure (weight per sq. cm of ground) it actually is even lighter than the T-90S. It is also said that there are no roads or bridges that can support the extra weight. I don’t understand - if we can carry 47 tonnes can’t we strengthen our bridges to carry 10-12 tonnes more? Tomorrow if Russia comes up with a heavier tank what will the Army do? What if Pakistan purchases Abrams? Will they not then buy heavier tanks or will stick to the T-90S because of the lack of roads/bridges.As for the chances of the heavier Arjun sinking during battle in the desert – you decide – Abrams M1 is 10 tonnes heavier & exerts more ground pressure (15.4 psi compared to Arjun’s 11.9) but performed well in the Gulf War.
Same holds true for Arjun’s dimensions & the argument that it is not possible to carry it with the current railway carriages. Are we not even capable of developing special transporters if the current ones don’t suit us? Of course we do & therefore these arguments hold no ground. After all we changed the whole railway system to broad-gauge from meter gauge and trust me that was a herculean task compared to this. And how much does it exceeds the limit – 6 cms on the side of the railcars.
The other thing that was much publicised was over-heating. Yes it did overheated & therefore caused a lot of problems, even the electronics blew away because of the excess heat. But things were improved by the DRDO. Not only did they succeeded in bringing the heatup to acceptable levels, they also hardened their electronics to sustain high heat, all this with no extra cost to the army. Contrast this with the T-90S which also has a heatup problem but the solution Russians offered was to install air-conditioners adding more cost to the tanks.
Next comes the Fire Control System. It was erratic in the beginning with a 20-80% first hit rate. But with Israeli help it is now state-of-the-art with an extremely high hit probability. Arjun has demonstrated extremely satisfying firing characteristics in all situations be it moving to static, static to static & moving to moving. It is supposedly the only tank that can fire on moving targets while on the move.
Coming to survivability – Arjun was also criticised for having a bigger silhouette than T-90S therefore attracting more enemy attention & thus more hits. But Arjun was not designed to avoid enemy hits. Unlike its Russian counterparts which are designed to escape the eye of the enemy Arjun was designed to survive the enemy. Russian tanks are not good at surviving if hit by enemy fire. Their best protection is to escape it. You can see pictures (and read the article too) of the T-90 tanks devastated by enemy fire at Ajai Shukla’s blog – Broadsword. But Arjun MBT survives enemy fire. Trials have shown that Arjun with DRDO developed ‘Kanchan’ armour survives all explosive rounds including the APFSDS (Armour Peircing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot). So to say that there is no tank ammunition currently available to destroy the Arjun will not be all wrong. T-90S has ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) protection but it doesn’t saves the tank from FSAPDS. And by the way Arjun too supports ERA as an add-on.
Crew protection in Arjun is far better than in Russian tanks (actually they have almost nothing for crew protection – their design actually worsens it). Arjun has its ammunition separated from the crew compartment & stored in water-tight containers. It has automatic fire detection and suppressing system that automatically activates within milliseconds in case of a fire. While in the T-90S the crew sits over the ammunition compartment, so if a mine explodes beneath the tank, it results in the tank ammunition exploding & thus destroying the tank & killing the crew. NBC (Nuclear, Biological & Chemical weapons) protection is standard, which is also there with the T-90S.
Now let’s talk of the Arjun MBT features & their respective advantages.It has an automatic transmission (absent in T-90S) which is helpful during shoot and scoot operations. It has a capability to fire the Israeli LAHAT (Laser Homing Anti Tank) missile, which is considered the deadliest anti-tank weapon. It also extends Arjun’s firing range to approx. 8 kms. It has an in-house developed hydro-pneumatic suspension system that adds to crew comfort & reduces fatigue. The crew commander has an independent panoramic sight along with the gunner’s main sight with day & night capability and can engage targets in emergency. Arjun has been tested to drive under six feet water (also called fording) for 20 minutes.
But the best of all features are the APU & BMS. APU is Auxiliary Power Unit which powers the tank even when the engines are off. So the Arjun can engage an enemy even when in silent “watch mode”. BMS, short for Battle Management System is a specialty of the Arjun MBT which facilitates tactical command, control and communications between the tank and rest of the team, which is further enhanced by inclusion of GPS (Global Positioning System).
If we consider all this, we wonder why Arjun has been given such a bad name. We were developing a sophisticated piece of military hardware and that too for the very first time, so problems were bound to surface. Even the technologically superior countries have a long list of failed/delayed projects. So why this hue & cry? Why has DRDO being ridiculed everywhere as failing to deliver? Is it all DRDO’s fault or is the arms lobby behind maligning the project? Well the blame lies somewhere in between. DRDO is to be blamed for undervaluing the project & not going with it in a systematic way. They were averse to foreign assistance/collaboration for many years. It is only when they couldn’t fairly succeed they sought foreign help. Same was the story in respect to the LCA Tejas. But now better sense has prevailed in DRDO and they are in active involvement with the Israelis, Russians, French & even the Americans.
But the arms lobby, which includes (as media reports suggest) people from the establishment, have also tried its best to sabotage the project with constant disinformation campaign. Physical sabotage of the Arjun MBTs on trial was also reported in the media but remains unconfirmed.
But the online award goes to the Pakistanis who have left no stone unturned in carrying out a disinformation campaign against Arjun & almost all Indian defence developments including the LCA & the missile programme vis-a-vis Pakistani programmes.
I would like to also say something about the Pakistani defence programmes and the propaganda machinery here. Imagine a country which has nothing substantial to claim as indigenous development – not even something as small as a car – boasts of successful developments of high-tech military hardware. Can you imagine missiles being inducted without tests, labelled as home grown? Fighter aircraft (JF-17), cruise missiles(Babur), nuclear programme, Al Khalid MBT all developed by Pakistan indigenously without a single reported failure and that too in a record time frame. It took US almost 30 years to develop its F-16s while Pakistan did the JF-17 in 4 years. But the fact of the matter is nothing is developed by Pakistan but sourced from China, Ukraine, North Korea & even Russia.
I’ll soon be coming with a post regarding all this Pakistani “indigenous development” so let’s leave it at that.
In the end the good news is that Chief of Army Staff Gen. Deepak Kapoor has written to the Defence Ministry appreciating the Arjun MBT thus paving way for further inductions. I am eagerly waiting for the comparative trials between Arjun MBT and T-90S Bhisma, which the Army has been shying away from. I also want the media, which is so hysterically active when it comes to silly issues, pays attention to this & similar issues & creates a mass awareness so as to deter the lobby which has been constantly opposing efforts to defence indigenisation.
I would like to appreciate the Indian Navy here for going all out for indigenous development and also to a greater extent the Indian Air Force (IAF). The Indian Army sure needs to catch up.
A request to fellow bloggers:
Please comment if you can. Not only it gives an insight about how & what others think, but has an appreciation value attached to it too, which helps improve the posts & instills more passion.
Thanks & Regards
SmarterOne
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I wonder why sections of the army are averse to ARjun, is it just that we are enamoured by imported hardware and cant appreciate anything indigenous ? Or is the reason more sinister.
ReplyDeleteI think like the airforce did for tejas, they need a dedicated, imparital team of army officers and govt officials to evaluate the tank in a fixed timeframe on defined parameters. Otherwise the army is an expert on changing goal posts.
Excellent post S1! Gives us another sad insight into the multi-billion dollar soap opera called the defence industry. Look forward to you future articles. Best of luck!
ReplyDeleteWonderful bit of objective portrayal of known facts and arguments exposing the obvious anomalies in the Indian Army's attitude towards the Arjun MBT and indegenisation in general.
ReplyDeleteI like the way you have not speculated on motives and suchlike but stuck to putting forth what is an unbiased and unabigouos argument of various facts.
However, the sad truth as you have stated is that while the Indian navy is overtly supporting and furthering indegenisation and the Indian air force is beginning to do likewise, the Indian army , which is also the biggest arm of the military, is firmly rooted in the past for what appear to be selfish and ulterior reasons. Personal gain at various levels of the army brass seems to supplant good sense. The arms lobby are only partially to blame since in the Indian army they might have found willing suckers blinded by avarice. I wouldn't be surprised if Gen. deepak Kapoor is covertly pressured and controlled by those within his own organisation.
Way to go. Keep up the good work of laying out the objective arguments for all the right minded to see and learn.
SAD we dont have juice to support such ventures...
ReplyDeleteArmy has every reason to reject the Arjun MBT...its kanchan armor is outdated....with out the armor overhaul its battlefield survivability will be zero ,its suspension is pathetic not fit to carry such a behemoth.....and with even israeli and french fire finders it failed in the intense desert heat where it will be fielded.... dont be blind nationalist be a pragmatic one......
ReplyDeletenot sure though about t-90.... russians are as big mouthed as ours..... but it would be better if we continued cooperation with germany
to get a better engine and suspension and probably their Lepord 2 technology in the late 90's......
Arjun has been an abject failure .. a project failure for Indian defence establishment/ GOI / IA... but it is not unexpected from Indian civilians POV. Until recently, India had a backward way of thinking/ second-class manufacturing base. No disgrace in admitting this, because even today DRDO is finding it hard to "reverse engineer" engine parts - and devise "improved" substitutions for key components to Arjun tanks.
ReplyDeleteArjun MBT - will the controversy end? (sorry I will catch up with the remaining article later).
The simple answer to the question is whether good decisions are made on Arjun's current and future standing, bearing in mind the capabilities of developer and the needs of the user.
eg. Field tests v/v T90 could really boost Arjun supporters (I say this because although the developers are Indian - they should be evaluated as professions). It would be great if it could help in major upgrades to T-72s, user guided refinements, a near-term development of a superior (marketable!!) MBT or an evolution into an excellent future MBT.
A/c to NAL ((http://www.su-mitra.com/new/images/images/aviation_v1.3.pdf) India is set for a bumper increase ($100 bn!!!) in Defence spending over the next 10 years - & it rates its Engineering industry prospects amongst the very best (>> China). In other words, if the current developers of Arjun are incompetent in evolving the Arjun MBT, they should be sacked and an alternative devised.
Till now, there is a confusion on which version to beleive, The Army / arms lobby version that Arjun is not competent enough or the DRDO, which complains about the sabotage. Your post has given us a clear picture on where Arjun really stands.
ReplyDeleteYa a great post. I do agree with u. Even Abrams, and Leopard 2 also has 4 crews instead of 3. Only russians uses 3 crew, with an autoloading mechanism. This autoloading mechanism has come under sharp criticism when these tanks failed even against landmines(during IPKF operations and during Iraq war - T-72 failed miserably). And since our MBT is based on western design, it will give us an edge over our neighbours since India will have the option of using mix of these tanks(2 world best tanks in our arsenal - Arjun and T-90). Atleast we can replace junk stuff like T-55 and vijayanta with this tank.
ReplyDeleteBut my question is Arjun has been mainly tested for dessert warfare. How will it fare on the eastern sector(against PLA in mountainious and wet terrains).
It`s baseless to talk about Arjun MBT`s credibility against other tanks...there is lot to be said on it...Govt. officials are reluctant for Arjun MBT - smells something fishy.....But You can`t comment without knowing the other face of the controversy/problem
ReplyDeletePlease Refer: http://beginningofcoldwar.blogspot.com/2009/06/tale-of-white-elephant-and-its-mother.html
for more information
Great blog piece!!!! As a British-asian interested in defence and security issues.The problem of the Ajun is very similar to defence issues within advanced Western countries. Of which I would like to raise 3 points...
ReplyDelete1)There is yet to be a major defence project that has come within budget both in the USA or the UK or Europe. In fact in the UK a recent report critised the huge amount of wastage invovled. Which ever business analyst or defence expert can sort this, they will be become a very rich person as a consultant. So the Arjun is not alone. Also didn't the nuclear tests and arms sanctions that followed caused a major delay in all projects across the board. (Maybe you can write a piece if those tests in the long run proved strategically enhancing. I would argue not!)
2)There is always seems to be an influential group of generals/air commodores/admirals for what ever reason want their "toys" as soon as possible, and would rather go and buy foreign then take the local product. Of course they argue their chaps are putting their lives on the risk so they deserve the best. Of course this is a form of emotional blackmail.
3)The final weapon's platefome is never as good as it was intended to be. Hence why we got constant upgrades of the basic version. For e.g. Mig-21 and all Russian Tanks..isnt the t-90 basically and upgrade of the t-72?
The fact is Indian politicians need to show some back bone and leadership. If India is to be a genuine world power it has to produce its own major weapon systems! Even if it comes at a certain economic cost...as I heard from the UK defence minister in meeting. If the UK is to keep its strategic independence it needs to continue investing in the production of its arm manufacturing. India should do the same!!
Dear smartone apologies for the spelling and grammer of the above piece I wrote it quite late at night!!! But keep up the good work
ReplyDeleteYou guys are all morons.The 1st Arjun regiment with 16 tanks was formed on May 27th 2009.The tank has already been inducted.If the Arjun is a failure then i am abraham lincolns great grandfather.
ReplyDeleteanon @ November 5, 2009 1:10 AM
ReplyDeleteIt is only the pakis that call Arjun a failure & a few ruskie agents. As for the pakis they even call Chandrayaan a failure so no arguing with 'em coz everything indian is a failure to 'em.
Let me correct you that not 16 but 45 in total have been inducted.
@ British Asian
ReplyDeleteDefence development around the world faces the same hurdles as we are facing in India. What many people in India don't realise is that defence projects take a lot of time in development & a lot of money too gets wasted as the requirements keep changing during the long development process. Coz u see so many Ruskie, Yankee & Euro equipment around no body puts a thought on how many projects fail behind the scenes. Every defence equipment that the US has - has one or more failure attached to it coz that how they develop. For laymen - for every F-22 success there is a YF-23 that has failed.
India is still a young defence developer. We have to learn a lot of things. After all Arjun was our 1st MBT & we were totally inexperienced. We have actually done a commendable job to develop a world class tank at the very first attempt. ditto with LCA. also look at the ALH Dhruv. It is an amazing bird. It has beaten - Elbit, Eurocopter & Kazan. In Chile too it beat Bell & others but the Chilean govt. has to give up on US arm-twisting. Even Israel is using Druv. The recent ecuadorian crash has been made such an issue as if no other helo in the world ever crashed.
The biggest critics of Indian development are the Pakis who have never even developed a bicycle but talk so much abt failures & sucesses. My only message to them - criticise to yer heart's content - its not gonna change what we've achieved & will continue to achieve. And a message to my Indian brother & sisters - criticise - but don't also forget to appreciate what our scientists have achieved with limited budget & resources. Don't crib & cry without knowing the full facts.
@ Smartone from British Asian
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with your response. There are too many Indians and Indian journalists who critise defence scientist and engineers with out knowing the full facts! In the UK the Euro Fighter project faced calls to be cancelled. Not only on grounds of costs and being late, but also many in the UK press said it was no longer needed. It is now proving to be an excellent weapons plateform. I really hope for India's strategic sake that the Arjun, Tejas, and Dhruv will be the beginning of a whole new series of Made in India weapons plateforms. For all those Indian's who think you should buy foreign hasn't the past experience of relying too heavily on the Russians taught you anything? You can't get spare parts on time, and the Navy now has an aircraft carrier basically being held hostage, until the Indian Gov pays almost twice the original price!!!Happy blogging Smartone!!!!
Great article, thanks for the same, just like to add that Arjun can fire LAHAT/CLGM on 'non line of sight firing', which means that they dont have to come in direct sight of target, some one else can paint the target.
ReplyDeleteIt appears that Arjun as reasonably performed well in the trials (as expected), in future we will see more of Arjun tanks.
A very good post. But one more thing...in a press release GOI said Arjun was evaluated by reputed foreign tank manufacturer (believed to be an Israeli firm)...It was done when IA and DRDO were blaming each other for failure in summer trial 2008. This third party audit certified Arjun to be an excellent tank very much suitable for IA....the twist came just after that. The same army reported in winter trial 2008 that Arjun has performed "admirably well"....What was the miracle??? Third party audit or data recorders installed by DRDO to prevent sabotage or some miraculous innovations or it was simply change in personnel in army. Anyway the huge number of T90 that is supposed to be imported within 2020 can fill pocket of many people. We just can pray that Arjun to outperform T90 in coming trial.
ReplyDeleteIA blamed Arjun's gun as inaccurate...rather they should check their gunners who are familiar with smooth bore guns which r mounted most of the battle tanks. Arjun MBT uses rifled gun like brit challenger. had their gunners made the minor calculation required for the rifled gun they wd hv stuned by the accuracy in long distance shot...
ReplyDeleteGlad to read a detailed article on Arjun MBT, all its Pros and Cons, with specifications and yes. numbers. Its all about numbers for an engineer like me.
ReplyDeleteI look forward to all updates from "Smarterone". I am actively following your articles on Arjun MBT.
From my understanding, India should have medium role tank regiments made up of indegenously built tanks to bolster up the numbers as IAF is doing with LCA TEjas squadrons. Arjun MBT and 300 million Indian taxpayers money deserve atleast that.
Clearly, there are corrupt professionals in politics and sorry to say army, who are used to the Russian Arms money swiftly moving into their swiss acounts , who really want to arjun mbt to go as it will begin the end of their heavy deposits.
I have few friends in army (my closest ones acually) who say that when politicians eat so much why not army generals. Well, we can have a lame duck democracy but after 2000 years of oppresson we cannot afford to have lame duck empty from within army. The way soem jusice is being meted out to sukhna land scam should get this same message across the board for all slacking army men.
Well, it was lil off topic but again looking forward to updates especially the field trials vis-a -vis T-90S
Thanks for your support guys. I was thinking to close this blog as people seems only interested in Defence and/or Pakistan. My other posts recieved a nil. But for guys like you - I think i shud continue - even if it is only Defence.
ReplyDeleteI have been reading a lot of defense related blogs regularly. There are many things that laymen will never understand when it comes to science and engineering. I am a PhD student and I know how hard it is working in science. Just because you have funding doesnt mean you have the result. There are a lot of contingencies for which no amount of planning can prepapre you and new problems to solve. Just because you have a DRDO/IISc tag doesnt mean that these problems are going to disappear. Sometimes the projects would come to a grinding halt not because of technical reasons but because someone got up on the wrong side of the bed. Hey they are humans too.
ReplyDeleteDRDO's battle would be the toughest it would have ever faced. It faces a coailtion force wich includes media for which a dud missile could mean mere soundbyte or may be vested interest; propaganda by competing forces like Israeli or Russian establishments; our very own neighbour factor which has effectively used internet for rumourmongering and extrapolating failures or mistakes on indian side and finally a select class of Indians who are fueled by this misinformation.
My heart goes out to the people in DRDO and other Indian scientists who work under quite a lot of limitations to churn out products that can compete if not put up a decent fight with products made by advanced countries. Yes they seriously underestimated the complexities of projects involved in Arjun and Tejas but surely this is not something for which one should be crucified.
Like the MBT you have discussed, the Tejas was initially supposed to replace MiG21 but what most indians dont realize is that it has long surpassed this and is a much much better fighter. A search on the internet will give you info from the time since inception of tejas to its latest test flight. However, its rigged with misinformation that gives the impression that it is a failure and that the IAF is accepting it because the Govt is forcing its arms. Maybe yes, its not perfect. But its not exactly unusable.
Both Arjun and Tejas are landmark achievements for a country that still remains gripped by hunger and starvation and rampant corruption. They will save us a lot of money in the end. And when they reach the museums, India would have surged forth because of the learning experience.
Be INDIAN BUY INDIAN.