Pakistan – At its messiest best?
As the events unfold after Sri Lankan players were attacked in Lahore yesterday it seems very likely that another blame game is ready to be played. Some sections of Pakistani media & the establishment have started blaming India’s Research & Analysis Wing (RAW) for the attacks despite being uncanny similarity with 26/11. Though a few saner media houses have rubbished the charges & instead blamed the home-grown, ever increasing jehadi outfits.
Let’s for once assume it as being done by RAW. This assumption makes RAW the agency that is in control of Pakistan & I’ll try to explain why. For nobody knew which route the players will take to the stadium except the security agencies & even that route was changed at the last moment. They even knew which one of the three buses the players were seated in. That means an insider must have leaked it or the RAW got the route changed according to its designs. There is also a police station within a few yards of where the incident happened & there were no policemen guarding the roundabout (RAW managed this also?). It is also said in the Pakistani media that the attackers crossed over from Wagah. Wagah is on one side manned by BSF & on the other by Pak Rangers. BSF is an Indian force so RAW could have managed slipping people from this side. But how did they evade the Paki Rangers on the other side? This is not a 7600km coastline but a few meter wide heavily guarded road. Has RAW penetrated into Paki Rangers also to such an extent? The security cover provided to Srilankans was very thin. No armed police escorts, no commandos, no bullet-proof vehicles, no aerial surveillance etc. Seems like RAW worked that out too. And no resistance was provided to the attackers. There were no road blockades as is the norm & no chase given to the attackers. So RAW managed that the attackers could easily get away that too unharmed? Any one who saw yesterday’s videos carefully must have noticed the lax manner in which the Pakistani authorities collected evidence completely ignoring set procedures & guidelines. I wonder if that was out of ignorance or deliberate.
If you go by this assumption & a few points that I’ve put forward and also acknowledging the fact that managing a cricket series when a foreign team is there, amidst high security threat, involves a lot of agencies & preparations. There is also a diplomatic aspect of it so the foreign relations setup is also involved. Now if RAW managed to stage the attack in such a scenario & with precise information, one can only conclude that RAW has control over all the agencies involved & if we also include all that is reported in Pakistan as done by RAW (unrest in FATA, Sindh & elsewhere) we can thus conclude that RAW has a limited control over Pakistan.
But if this assumption is wrong (as the case is) it means either it was state managed (ISI/Army) or independently managed by the so called non-state actors - in other words the jehadi outfits. And if ISI is clean (as many analysts in Pakistan are stating) then it only leads to one conclusion – Jehadis are running Pakistan with full control & authority. And this makes the situation, for everyone around the world in general & India in particular, very dangerous.
Pakistani government & authorities are living in a constant state of denial & so is the Pakistani population at large. I am yet to figure out why they can’t understand a simple fact – that this all is leading to the demise of Pakistan as a nation state. China and the US whom the Pakistani establishment regards as friends are doing nothing but making Pakistan a scapegoat in fulfilling their hegemonious designs.
China is supplying arms & ammunition to Pakistan to bolster its own economy & keeping it engaged with India or to put it the other way keeping India engaged with Pakistan to undermine India’s growing economic & military power. China refused Pakistan an economic aid a few days back when Zardari went begging and asked him to look someplace else. A friend would never have done this.
The US on the other hand is using Pakistan as a cushion against Al-Qaida & other terror groups. Paying a few billion dollars against use of its territory & help (also include the almost daily drone attacks) on so called “War on Terror” is nothing short of a compensation for rape. In this case the victim is willingly getting itself raped & is also happy & proud about it. And compare this – US will give Pakistan a USD 15billion aid in 10 years (only if the WOT lasts that long) while India will be spending more than this amount (USD 16 billion approx) to acquire just 126 MMRCA jets. So the aid isn’t helping Pakistan as much to counter India. Also take into account that a sizeable part of that money goes into the pockets of Pak army generals, politicians & bureaucrats so it isn’t helping its economy either.
The eternal enemy India has a better track record than “friends” of Pakistan. India lobbied in the IMF to help Pakistan gain the recent IMF loan it received. BCCI (Indian Cricket Board) routinely helps & bails out PCB (Pakistan Cricket Board) in crisis situations. Thousands of Pakistanis come to India and receive medical aid, which is expensive in the west & not available in Pakistan, either free of cost or at a very low cost. Indian doctors have saved many Pakistani lives. Can Pakistan show us even a single instance when those so called friends of Pakistan ever did that? Even after so many wars & everyday conflicts India has never ever stopped supply of water to Pakistan. If we do Pakistanis will die of drought in a few days. Many Pakistanis come to India for better prospects. They are respected as brothers & sisters. They earn a lot here & no one ever doubted their integrity. Can the Pakistanis say this about US & China where the Pakistanis are looked down upon?
Pakistan, if it wants to survive, should come out of the messy situation which is getting messier by each passing day. The only way to do it is to know what is good and eradicate what is bad. Stop messing around with other countries’ affairs (It’s not only India but Bangladesh & Nepal as well which are suffering from ISI & its network. The recent mutiny in Bangladesh is also a handiwork of the ISI – will post a new topic on this soon) and instead focus on your country’s well being.
We will somehow save ourselves but this mess will eat up Pakistan. It’s high time Pakis realize this or, as Swat today, the whole of Pakistan will get out of their hands.
Image courtsey NDTV.com
an addon:
It is just that the poor Paki propaganda machinery does'nt know the strength of RAW. It doesnt gain with such stupid & cowardly acts. When RAW intervened in 1971, Pakistan had to part with, what is now, Bangladesh.
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Good post - at least you dared to write about it, while I wait for some more clarity.
ReplyDeleteHowever, let me give you some fodder - this can also be construed as "conspiracy theory". Nonetheless - here goes.
Taliban was the creation of ISI, for strategic depth in Afghanistan, for Kashmir in India and to fortify the western borders of Pakistan so that no country can invade it from Afghanistan (Obfuscate the Durand line). Are we in agreement till here ? If yes, then we move on.
The Godfather of Taliban is Hamid Gul. (Known fact). (Now Taliban itself has broken up, but the core Afghan Taliban is with Gul / ISI). And with the Swat peace deal, ISI trying to neuter Pak Taiban.
During the Islamization drive by Zia, the junior officers then are now occupying senior positions and they are completely with the Taliban as far ideologies go. (Still in agreement ??).
Did you notice that both Al Qaeda as well as Pakistan Taliban of Baitullah Mehsud wanted to fight alongside Pak Army, should India have attacked Pakistan. (OK - lets not give too much credence to this - but keep this in mind).
The Punjabi Taliban took responsibility of earlier attacks on Lahore. Remember the juice parlour attacks, the attack on World Music Festival. Taliban clearly stated that they are against music, dance, and cricket. (Do you agree??)
Now tell me, what conclusions do you want to draw ?
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ReplyDeleteI agree on all points u made. But the conclusion is more to be drawn by the pakistani civil society than us. It sure is a threat to us Indians but for pakis it is a question of existence. I dont want to have Pakistani refugees in India like we had 'em from BD & Sri Lanka.
It is also going around that another army coup is in the offing in Pak. This attack could also be an attempt to show the world esp. the US and the Paki society that the civilian govt. is doing no good & has created confusion all over and the army could be a better option & will handle things differently & more effectively.
Well Done Smartone, Stumbled to your blog from livefist, Nice clear arguements, overall a good effort Keep it up, I will read your blogs with interest fron now on
ReplyDeleteBombaywalla , Sydney. Australia
simple and straight, easy to understand even to people who are not in this business, good traits, i hope you continue to write like this, about the subject, what you are saying is not that simple,in one of the news channels, i eared one guy saying Pakistan has multiple fronts of militancy i believe in politics to, one has to also look at the formation of Taliban from the cold war perspective if USSR had taken over Afghanistan it would have been a dangerous situation for Pakistan with India a USSR ally on the other side, i think to solve the Pakistani problem political will to help Pakistan is required which has to come from India.
ReplyDeleteThe Smart one
ReplyDeleteWell Done. Nice post and I pray to god, to put some common sense into the heads of Pakistani.
In the end its a matter of survival for everyone.
Its high time, The people of pakistan and its government see that the people around the world, just want to live and go about with their lives.
cheers,
clemenza
Oh yeah RAW is dangerous, but is it only RAW can work on bigger agendas, what do have to say if RAW also does smaller jobs?
ReplyDeleteOr you say all are saints in India and all are evil in Pakistan ?
Then whats the premise of your blog, lets leave Pakistan like that and bring up our country. Remember we lost a medical student a couple of days back, killed by felow students. Is militancy not eating up our country too.
You know "Love is blind but in patriotism you lose all 5 sences" Thats what is your blog about.
Gandhi Ji's belonging were not sold to us b'cause we spend close to 3% of our GDP on defence and .5 % on health and education. what a shame. A private buyer bought it and gave it to our govt.
Welcome to India
If RAW is so powerful, we should use them to control militancy in Kashmir...any way we cannot defend to be the largest democracy as we paid to hoots to democracy in 48 by diregarding to popular choice and listened to an authoritarian Raja (although this is what we said, we actually occupied) to be india's part. welcome to India...which claims to be a largest democracy, is the first UN violator. your blog can just make u feel better. in reality .."success without honour is like an un seasoned dish, it may fill your hunger but i won't taste good"
@ anon March 13, 2009 3:27 AM
ReplyDeleteDont hide in the guise of an Indian - Mr. Pakistani from Alabama.
This is the greatest difference between you & us. Who told you India spends .5% on health & education & 3% on defence - you are giving stats of yer country Pakistan.
Kashmir was attacked by Pakistanis in '48 in the guise of Tribals (see you are masters of disguise since birth). & if you are so worried about popular choice what about Lahore, Chittagong (which were predominantly Hindu) & now Balochistan, Northern Areas & FATA?
Get your facts right first then spam the blog.
Lahore , NWFP and Baluchistan are muslim majority like kashmir since eons. how about ather anons here who can praise india blindly, u have no problems with them. if i am leting u know facts u are infurious. Indians like me can speak truth. so take it. Kashmir was and is muslim majority, india is trying to change demography as a long term plan . but world is watching. u cant fool every body every time.
ReplyDeleteand why gandi ji's belonging were not sold to indian govt? because we have a lot of health and education budget. if u want to run a blog have a bigger heart ...or else write on home page " only for indian praise, if u have to write truth , this site is not for u"
Answer this "why gandi ji's belonging were not sold to indian govt? because we have a lot of health and education budget" ? it was an american not a pakistani..
Oh, Alabama is a better place than Uttarkhand
@ March 13, 2009 3:27 AM & March 14, 2009 10:57 AM
ReplyDeleteLahore was a Hindu majority before partition but the ruler was a muslim. NWFP & Balochistan are undeniably muslim majority but i am talking about their self determination efforts.
You know nothing abt history. You dont even have the guts to identify yerself as a Paki. If my heart was not bigger enough - your comments wud never have appeared in this blog.
Gandhiji's items were sold to India. It was the Indian Govt. who asked Dr. Vijay Mallya to buy them as there were legal hassles in Indian Govt. directly buy them.
James Otis is no Gandhian. He wants to make money & therefore sending confusing signals.
You may not be aware about this that Otis has today asked the auctioneers to return the items to him so that he can personally deliver it to India - thus making the auction null & void. His real intentions are to earn more money in another auction (if he succeeds that is).
I know u'll not accept my answers & come up with counter arguments. but i dont blame you. Rarely does a Pakistani agrees to an Indian (even if the Indian is dead right).
We have problems in our country, no-one denies it. But we are fighting them & improving ourselves.
Talking about health & education:
The current Govt. started National Rural Health Mission - a nationwide programme to provide free & high quality health services to every nook & corner of the country. The budget allocation for the year 2009-10 being Rs.12,056 crore (more than USD 2.5 billion), an amount far more that wt yer country gets as alms from US.
There is an employment guarantee scheme for the poor - a Rs.100 per day for atleast a 100 days in a year.
Mid day meal scheme - where children in the school are provided with cooked wholesome food everyday.
If a child is born in a Govt. hospital - forget paying for services - the mother gets Rs. 700 for a boy & Rs.1500 for a girl child.
108 Emergency services - like 911 in the US - reaches persons in distress within 5 mins.
Primary education is now a fundamental right in India.
Sarv Shiksha Abhiyan (Education for all) has a yearly budget of Rs. 13,100 crores.
Want more...These are just a few central govt schemes. State govts are also doing their bit & so are the city govts.
I dont only praise India but I do praise Pakistan whenever it deserves it. You seems to not get the real essence of my article. I'm also talking about saving Pakistan - but that has to be done by Pakistanis themselves. & trust me Zaid Hamid is not going to do it for you.
Learn the better aspects about India & try to emulate. We have differences with China & even Nepal & Bangladesh but are we discussing the matters across the table.
Compare this with Pakistan. Why is the world blaming Pakistan if it is so sacred?
"Oh, Alabama is a better place than Uttarkhand" - if you say u are an Indian - shame on you. But if you are not as the case is Mr Pakistani - You've never seen Uttarakhand.
& have some guts - you know & I know u're a paki - admit it.
& do you know how many Pakistanis come to India for medical treatment (which is subsidised for pakistanis as a goodwill gesture) - the numbers are in lakhs (hundred thousands). & not only pakistanis even the Americans & the British lineup to India - as it is just as good & way too affordable.
ReplyDeleteOk good now that u have opened up a can of worms, have it. u want to go over 10 times bigger list of separatist organizations in india. if u want I will.
ReplyDelete2. there are separatists in advanced countries like Canada, Spain and even in the US. But it doesn't happen their way. So if u think there are separists in NWFP and Baluchistan, they are a minority. even in early 70s some baluchis had this idea but they were looked after.
3. Have u heard of "Abdus Sattar Edhi, Fatimeed, Adeeb ul Hasan Rizvi, Chhipa or Ansaar Burni? You will get an answer about what is happenning in India and what in Pakistan in health and education fields. Education being lead by Punjab and sindh in Pakistan. we are no way close to it.
4. Where have u praised pakistan lately or at all at this blog?
5. Otis wanted to amke money, yes good very good analogy. u seem to like your blindness. NPR (national public radio) here in the US was crying out loud for more than a week saying indian health education is THE issue. Yes he wanted to make money. but actually he was interviewed by NPR and he said "my aim is to let indian govt know their humangous gap between defence and healt & education. SO whats your take on this?
5. 2.5 billions in healthcare and more than 20 billion dollars for defence. your haelthcare budget per head is just 2 dollars for a complete fiscal year. Even in india, which has the most poor people in the world in a single country, it is way too less. u know Medicare, Medicaid and social security in the US is more than 600 billio dollars for a fiscal year, interestingly it bigger than their defence budget for last so many years. they probably dont even need it but it tells the priority. Your responce? i am sure you will defend like a defence / health minister, even if u dont have to.
6. Why its only india who has issues with china, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka ..oh u name it. But Pakistan is okay with all of them. Its our hegemony. Answer plz?
7. have u thought, I may be some one who lost a son / daughter or wife , mother or father in Kasmir at the hands of indian army, or some one raped in my family by indian army? or may be I lost some of my family members in Ahmedabad, Gujrat by fanatic hindus? so i am an indian but certanily not proud of it. We would have rightly migrated to Pakistan in 47, but some of our elders decided to live in our ans'tors' land. so what do a person like me do?
I may be an indian doing Ph.D at Auburn Univ AL on scholarship by them .. so should i be ashamed of being an indian..yes may be because i am sponsored by the US govt.
Lastly .. plz dont give medical help to Pakistan, EU or USA and help our own indians. But the problem with hindu banya is by giving medical services to west we weill earn money. But poor Indians cannot make it a profitable business. So here goes the reality. Please do some thing and defend it. I dont need a quick Answer plz read in two or three parts but answer all aspects .. I want to see how in aptritism u would lose all five sences.
Mr. Pakistani no matter how much you cry foul about India - facts will remain facts.
ReplyDeleteYou can hide behind an Indian garb but the reality is you are a pakistani. No indian talks the way u do. your language & the adjectives used are more than enough to prove that.
You have no issue with neone. ha ha ha
Bangladeshi's are blaming you for the recent mutiny. Nepal is worried with the growing ISI network & fake currency racket. Sri Lankans too are getting skeptical about Pakistan as LTTE link with the ISI are surfacing. in which world are u living?
We earning money from the pakis - wt a joke. Medical services are provided free of cost to needed Pakistanis.
Do you know why was Bangladesh created? Had u been an Indian u'd be quoting MJ Akbar and not Mr Burney (how come u know so much abt Pakistan & nothing abt India?)
Even after the Gujarat riots (it is really a bad & black mark on us) an average muslim loves india and hates pakistan. btw do u know wt happened in Godhra b4 that?
Do visit the following link
http://www.indianmuslims.in
US$2.5billion is only the outlay for NRHM & not the whole education & healthcare.
India has currently allocated 3% of its GDP for health & not .5 as u mentioned.
Defence spending also is close to 2.5% & not 3 as mentioned by u.
have a glimpse of the budget here
http://exim.indiamart.com/budget-2008-09/
Wt a radio in US cried abt Indian health & education doesnt matter here. Do some research & then talk. US media even says India is using 'cow-dung' to save it from a nuclear fallout & showing villages with "uplas" - do u want me to believe that too. & y not also discuss wt US media says abt yer country Pakistan - then u feel they are ignorant & their is a Christian/Hindu/Jew nexus to malign u.
Grow up Mr. Pakistani
I know u'll not coz as a pakistani u are not able to swallow India's growing clout in the world. Living in denial & cursing India is a speciality of Pakistan.
No amount of replies & facts will in any way change yer attitude. I answered yer questions but u came up with new counter arguments. I'll keep answering u & u'll keep arguing - It will not end.
Set yer house right - it is burning right now & getting out of yer hands. Don't worry abt India - we'll take care of it.
You want to tell us that Pakistan has better education than India - u must be nuts. Even Pakistanis want to study in India.
& btw read this comment(& the following ones too) by a Pakistani Kashmiri on a Pakistani forum. u'll not believe me if I copy paste so better go there & read.
http://www.pro-pakistan.com/2008/12/06/zaid-hamid-creates-ferver-all-over-indian-media/comment-page-2/#comment-33443
also read this about poor Indians:
http://news.rinkiss.com/politics/india-in-the-eyes-of-a-pakistani-journalist/160
And btw abt Mr. Burney - he was here few days ago asking support from the people of india in strengthening democracy in Pakistan (also fighting for Indian prisoners in Pakistani jails). Poor Burney he's called a traitor & a spy by u guys. He is called an Indian Agent, a pimp & even "Ansaar Burney Singh".
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/03/05/ansaar-barni-exposed/
Any one who speaks the truth in Pakistan is a traitor, a RAW agent or a Zionist. Even Geo TV is blamed to get funds from India.
But I know for sure nothing will satisfy u & u'll come up with more arguments to defame India. You've already made up yer mind I can do nothing to change that.
Btw if u are such a proud pakistani - y dont u help me out with a pakistani's perspective on my upcoming post - "Saving Pakistan"
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Its all verbosity and no facts. Actually u have made your mind to make india US or Japan. U cant match even some of the African countries. Keep writing Qaseedas about india. If u keep massaging a donkey whole nite, it will not become a horse in the morning. And why u have to dedicate so much energy about writing stuff like saving pakistan ? devote energies in some thimg positive..means indian developement ..or you are paid for propaganda?
ReplyDeleteHow many Qs have you answered? what is your stand on babri masjid?
I am an indian who is not really proud to be Indian
poor nad can't even accept he is a pakistani.
ReplyDeleteDid u ever read the links I posted. They r not my propaganda - but how can u accept facts. If u'd read them u'd have many of yer questions answered. I'll praise my country as u r praising yers - wt is yer problem in this. Atleast m not denying wt is wrong with my country while u've yer eyes, ears & mind closed.
Have u ever heard of IITs, IIMs IISc, ISB & where they stand in the world.
Tell me one Pakistani institution which has ne standing.
If yer family never went to pakistan (as u say which i doubt) do read this too (i know u wont but wts d harm)
http://mjakbarblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/flawed-idea.html
Babri Masjid demolition was just as fateful as Gujrat riots & it shook me as it did to every Indian - Hindu or Muslim. wt abt numerous temples demolished in Pakistan?
Ask the Americans & the British - y they come to India for treatment. Because their "social security/medicare" cannot help them there as they have queues requiring them to wait for even as long as 3 yrs even for minor surgeries & if they choose to spend themselves - it is far beyond their reach. India on the other hand is cheaper & has facilities at par with their respective countries.
I know for a fact u're a pakistani - u admit it or not. but lets say u're an Indian - then by hating & disgracing yer own country wt do u b'come? It is the citizens that make a country & is not a separate entity. wt had been yer contribution in the upliftment & betterment of yer country? If u say u lost someone in Gujrat riots, there are ppl who lost their loved ones in Godhra too. Wt abt Kashmiri Pandits? y were they thrown out of Kashmir? Does Kashmir only belongs to Muslims? How abt the plight of Hindus in Pakistan? They've been killed & uprooted & forced to convert by the Muslim majority & r lining up on wagah since Swat went to the taliban. Other minorities also face execution there. Hindu population in Pakistan declined since independence but Muslim population in India increased.
I dont deny attacks on minorities in India - but if one christian/muslim is attacked there are a 1000 hindus who come up for help. On whose money/support do u think Gujrat victims are fighting their legal battle? Who took up their cause in the first place - It was the predominantly Hindu media.
why do u think Pakistani & Bangladeshi muslims come to india & make it their homeland?
can u answer these questions? no u cant.
u'll come up with more arguements as u've been doing all along.
& btw y r u wasting yer energies on this lousy blog of mine? are u too paid for propaganda?
u want to say writing abt "saving pakistan" is negative? If my neighbor is burning - i feel the heat too & it is in my best interest to help douse the fire b4 it spreads to my house.
But tht's how a pakistani keeps himself happy - cursing India & Indians.
http://mjakbarblog.blogspot.com/2009/03/tale-of-two-nations-indian-order-pak.html
First of ...blogs are not credible references, tell me some books...
ReplyDeleteHypocricy is Indian Hall Mark since the begining of time.
Kasmir with India because Hindu Raja decided so.
Hyderabad With India because people are Hindu majority ...but hyderabad ruler wanted to accede with Pakistan.
Junagarh ruler also wanted the same but India claimed more people are hindus.
What about Kasmir .. more people were and ARE muslims , though u guys are trying to change the demography. wow what a long term hindu plan.
u feel the heat of the fire u lit decades ago.
How is the weather in your Khand ?
@ Mr. Pakistani from AL
ReplyDeleteHave u ever seen an Indian refugee post independent India newhere in d world? (i hope u understand the difference between wt a refugee is & wt an immigrant is)
while in India u'll see Afghanis, Bangladeshis, Chinese, Nepalese, Pakistanis, Srilankans, Tibetans & many more nationalities as refugees. You can argue the Nepalese as they dont require passports or nething to come to India. Opressed & uprooted in their own motherland but living with dignity in India. The Chinese living in India, even after the economic upturn in their own country, dont want to go back.
Who has changed the demography in Kashmir? We or pakistan? how ill informed u are. Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus) were thrown out of Kashmir & not muslims. No Indian can buy property in Kashmir - its a law framed by the Union of India, while a Kashmiri can buy property in ne part of India. Kashmir elects its own leaders & have autonomy within the Indian state. A free press. Free education. goods roads & other infrastrucure. Quota in IITs, IIMs (where even the pakistanis want to get admitted).
How abt PoK - The so called "Prime Minister" & "President" always come from Punjab. No autonomy of ne kind. no free & fair elections(if any). no infrastructure at all. no roads, electricity, water supply, educational institutions etc. Kashmiris have lost their properties to pakistanis. So much of the land is captured by the Pakistani Army for their personal use.
If we wanted to change the demography of Kashmir to our benefit, we'd have done so already. That is very easy for us to do. It is only the valley that has voices of dissent. The regions of Jammu - a hindu majority region, & Leh/Ladhak - a buddhist one, want to stay in India.
Look at yer friend china wt it is doing in Tibet.
It will not take us even a month to do that.
Wt is the population of the valley - 5 million. How long do u think will take a country of 1.2 billion to change the demography.
Pakistan changed the area of Gilgit & Baltistan to Norther Areas though it was part of Kashmir. y did u my friends gifted Aksai chin to China? That was not yer land. Naming a region "Azad" doesnt make it independent. Also read wt the UN resolution 47 on kashmir states - pakistan has to pull back its troops first & then India will dilute its presence & then will the plebisite take place under UN presence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47
it is not a blog but wiki this time - i know u'll have yer reservations for this too.
u can read the real text from the UN website too:
http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=S/RES/47%20(1948)&Lang=E&Area=RESOLUTION
The real fight is not about Kashmiris, you dont care a damn about them, remember Bengalis in East Pakistan, how much you loved them - it is about water. We control the flow of water to Pakistan & can ne day dry up Pakistan. Though after all those wars & differences we never did that.
We have a new railway service for the state now - which we achieved endangering the lives of "Indian" engineers & workers. btw tht's d second highest railway in d world. We constructed the Baghlihar dam recently to feed the state with more electricity & irrigation. Airports were already there years ago.
A Bihari gets Rs.876/- worth of Center Govt. aids, but a Kashmiri gets Rs.9754 worth of Center Govt. aids. While it is loan to a Bihari, it is a grant to a Kashmiri (non-refundable). Whose money do u think that is? It is wt we "dirty" Indians pay as taxes.
Do read abt Article 370 of Indian Constitution - google it yerself coz my links will not be geniune to u.
Dont make it a Hindu Muslim debate like d pakistanis always do - we have more muslims in India that Pakistan & better off at that.
u live in d US must be watching abc - it had a report on Indian Muslims recently. According to the abc report - "Indian Muslims are the happiest & the most peaceful Muslims living newhere in d world".
ya ya i know wt u want to say now - that this all is a figment of my imagination or a new propaganda i'm paid to carry on. Wt to do m such a "dirty" Hindu.
I AGREE u are
ReplyDelete1. Where are the biggest number of refugees in the world today .. Pakistan
2. What Kashmiris both side of the LOC call Kashmir Maqbooza/ Occupied (indian part) and AZAD/ Liberated (Pakistani part)
3. How mant indian forces are in Indian occupied Kashmir -- 900,000
$. How many Pakistani Forces in Azad Kashmir -- just 1 regiment
5. How many ministers and generals (or even lower rank officers) india has ???
6. How many ministers and generals pakistan has -- 15 -18 % around every fifth is a kashmiri...like Shaikh Rashid and Sharif family. i can provide N number of high ranking people from Kashmir in Pakistan
7. Read para 2 a and onwards of UN SEc Council resolution ... cherry pickin ..old indian way
8. Why india cares about kashmir? indian genocide , atrocities in the valley..google it
9. Water -- Pakistan has rivers which cannot be controlled by indians, but most can be
10. Why india doesnt want to have plebicite
AND your comments on Hyderabad and junagarh..please give your analogy..why Indian occupied these places by force..their rulers had given their choice for pakistan
it applies on Kashmir then
Wow! Sharif family from Kashmir. It will be a revealation even to the punjabi Sharif family.
ReplyDeleteSheikh Rashid is a punjabi born in Rawalpindi in 1950. seems like the cooked up figure of 15-18% of Kashmiris in PA also will be traced back to Punjabis. An army which consists of 95% punjabis & the rest pashtuns where do u think yer figure of 15-18% Kashmiri fit in?
Who do u think the most powerful family of India, the Nehru/Gandhi family, is?
Have u heard of Ghulam Nabi Azad & the portfolios he held under the Union Ministry? Do u know Omar Abdullah was the minister of state for External Affairs in NDA? Do u know who was the Home Minister of India during the VP Singh Government? Who do u think is Dr. Karan Singh?
Have u heard of JKLI? Ladhak Scouts?
do read this on how azad is azad kashmir
http://www.jammu-kashmir.com/insights/insight990902.html
1. Shaikh Rashid ...Family belongs to Kashmir, settled in Rawalpindi.
ReplyDelete2. Shareef Family... Same background..Kashmiris.
3. Musharraf... Muhajir.
4. Bhutto Family... For Minister/ President/ Prime Minister...Daughter Prime Minister Twice, Son in Law - President ...SINDHI.
5. Generals in 3 services from Punjab, NWFP, Karachi, Sindh and Baluchistan. according to the population of the provinces.
6. Omer abdullah..wow what a joke ..come out with some better example. he is a pupet of INDIAN GOVT.
and your articulation would not absolve u of replying these:-
1. Where are the biggest number of refugees in the world today .. Pakistan
*****2. What Kashmiris both side of the LOC call Kashmir Maqbooza/ Occupied (indian part) and AZAD/ Liberated (Pakistani part)*****
*****3. How mant indian forces are in Indian occupied Kashmir -- 900,000
$. How many Pakistani Forces in Azad Kashmir -- just 1 regiment*****
AND ALSO
7. Read para 2 a and onwards of UN SEc Council resolution ... cherry pickin ..old indian way
8. Why india cares about kashmir? indian genocide , atrocities in the valley..google it
9. Water -- Pakistan has rivers which cannot be controlled by indians, but most can be
10. Why india doesnt want to have plebicite
AND your comments on Hyderabad and junagarh..please give your analogy..why Indian occupied these places by force..their rulers had given their choice for pakistan
it applies on Kashmir then
your whole blog looks like a SPAM/ PROPAGANDA...WHAT A SHAME
@ Mr. Pakistani posing as Indian from AL
ReplyDeleteYour comments itself state who is making a propaganda here. If u can call the Sharif family Kashmiri, which they themselves will laugh at, ne 1 reading the blog can well understand yer level of knowledge. How come all yer so called Kashmiri leaders born & settled in Punjab? Why have they done nothing abt PoK?
I've given u all yer answers either directly or thru references. But if u do not want to accept them, i cant help it.
btw - don't forget this- if i wanted a propaganda, do u think yer comments wud ever have made to this blog?
And also - I dont need a certificate from a pakistani who cannot even call himself one, instead chooses to call himself an indian. Now who shud feel the shame?
You are known to spam blogs as u do at indianaerospace by yer senseless arguments.
If this blog is such a SPAM who is asking you to visit it 3 times a day?
Because there are only 2 ppl on this blog, u and me.
ReplyDeletewho else has time for a place like this ! maybe i wnat show show the real hypocritical face of our country with atrocities in ahmedabad and kashmir and U are here bcoz its ur blog. do u think ppl are flooding in here as if its NYTIMES or Washington post .. go ahead remove post i cant care less. there are better places i can expose our country in real sence.
if u have met somebody on other blog ...as a sane person u should think there are other ppl speakin the truth...not that only 1 person can be there all over the blogosphere...after all we are more than a billion ppl with free thoughts.
i visit 3 or more times to see what do u have to come up with so i can bash u right there .
How many troops we have in IOK vs Pak in POK ?
just give me this answer ...
Varun Gangdhi -- the true reflection of INDIAN secularism ..what a joke. Babri Masjid, Kashmir, Ahmedabad...VARUN GANDHI ... all tell tale of INDIAN HYPOCRICY
ReplyDeleteThey seem to be over-estimating RAW. Though RAW is a very capable organization, beleiving that it has whacked its senior, the ISI & "Hijacked" the state of Pakistan ...... I've heard better jokes than that.... Might do well for a national daily without any news!!!!
ReplyDeleteHey keep posting such good and meaningful articles.
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